Juan Viejo2

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  DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

  i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

  you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

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  Juan Viejo2

  Sorry, Titus. Did not get the link. Please forward to contact@ex-jw.com. I'll try to figure out why existing link doesn't work. Thanks in advance
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  DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

  i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

  you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

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  Juan Viejo2

  Titus, whenever you have time and nothing better to do - link me up please!

  BTW - what uniform are you wearing? Yugo? Argentine? You look very handsome in a militaristic way, by the way...
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  Any news releases on Ray Franz yet?

  by tenyearsafter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been doing google searches on ray's passing and have not seen anything other than what has been posted on the ex-jw bulletin boards.

  i thought i read a post by barbara andersen talking about an ap release to be sent out.

  has anyone heard anything more...it would be a shame for ray's passing to go unnoticed outside of these forums..

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  I think that it is interesting that John Wooden, former coach of the UCLA basketball team, died the same week as Ray.

  Many years ago, when I was working in Hollywood, CA as a telephone installer, I had a chance to meet Mr. Wooden at one of the local TV studios. I was there to repair a phone cable. He was there waiting to go on to a weekly sports show about UCLA basketball. This was in the days when Lew Alcindor was playing center for UCLA (Lewis Alcindor became Kareem Abdul Jabbar).

  Mr. Wooden was softspoken and friendly, never putting on airs like Bobby Knight or Jerry Tarkanian, whom I had also met. We sat there in canvas chairs waiting to be called to our respective jobs. I guess my breath must have been bad after a long day of work and sipping coffee and apparently Wooden noticed it. Instead of saying, "you need to brush or gargle," he simply looked at me and said, "Here, let me offer you some gum." That's all he said. I can't remember whether it was Juicy Fruit or Spearmint. I thanked him and his answer was, "You are very welcome, young man."

  Due to some technical problem, neither one of us could go to our respective studios, so we were forced to continue to wait and make small talk. He asked me how long it took to learn how to be a telephone man. I was flabbergasted by his even asking such a thing - I know it was just his way of being courteous and making small talk. After I spent about 5 minutes telling him my history, I asked him how he became such a good coach.

  "I show up for practice and demand that my players do the same. If they miss a practice, they don't play. I make sure that they know the rules and that they play by those rules. They have to remember that its just a game, but if they are going to play it they must dedicate themselves to it as I have. It's all about practice. Practice until everything is second nature. If you have a good practice, you should have a good game."

  When I watch videos of Ray Franz, he speaks with that same soft, but assertive manner. He is not bombastic or forceful in his manner, but you pay attention and want him to say more than he does. He presents himself as an observer of events, even though he was in the thick of things. He does not demand anything of anyone.

  Even before I ever saw photos or videos of Ray Franz, I imagined him speaking in the same manner as John Wooden. Go to YouTube and see if you can find some videos of John Wooden speaking and sharing his philosophy. I think you will see the similarities.

  God rest both of their souls. They were a credit to our human race.
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  Remembering Ray...Six Screens Conference Call, Barbara Anderson and Marilyn Zweifel. June 5th.. 7 P.M E.S.T.

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the six screens of the watchtower conference call will be focusing on the impact ray franz has had on the lives of so many people.

  we all miss ray, a man who stood courageously on the "front lines of truth".

  special guest barbara anderson and marilyn zweifel of the 1-800why1914 j.w.

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  I'll be there listening in from Salem Oregon...
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  Any news releases on Ray Franz yet?

  by tenyearsafter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been doing google searches on ray's passing and have not seen anything other than what has been posted on the ex-jw bulletin boards.

  i thought i read a post by barbara andersen talking about an ap release to be sent out.

  has anyone heard anything more...it would be a shame for ray's passing to go unnoticed outside of these forums..

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  Juan Viejo2

  I sent emails to the editors of NY Times, Los Angeles Times, The Atlanta Journal, and to Time magazine. I included links to the original Time magazine article and stressed the importance of Ray to all of us now outside of the Borg.

  After all, they all put up obits for Freddy when he passed 18 years ago.

  I'll let everyone know if I get any responses...
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  Ray Franz Tribute Video

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  v asked me to post his latest video - a tribute to ray franz made with the help of many people who took the time to record a brief message about what ray meant to them, and to those people v has asked me to pass his special thanks.. .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0axx-av7zrcif you are on facebook maybe post this on your profile..

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  Juan Viejo2

  Besty -

  Thank V for a most wonderful and fitting video tribute. I've posted it at www.ex-jw.com. I'll repost here on a subsequent message any comments or memorial messages I receive on the post.

  Thanks for letting us know about this video and posting it here for all to enjoy.
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  DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

  i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

  you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

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  Juan Viejo2

  Rutherford's son was named Malcolm. He was so pissed at his father (even though he held a decent job at the WT for a short time), that he and his mother would not even attend the Judge's funeral.
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  Ray Franz Tribute

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.

  in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .

  we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .

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  Juan Viejo2

  Beautiful. I wanted to share it with our readers, so I sent a link your way, Jeff and Randy...
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  Cynthia Franz Contact Information

  by Outaservice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone,.

  many have expressed a desire to show sympathy and concern for cynthia franz somehow and wonder the best way they can do this or how they can help.. if you would like to write a letter or card to her and/or send her a little gift contribution, the following address would be best and safest.. cynthia franz, c/o commentary press, po box 43532, atlanta, ga 30336-0502.. thank you..

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  Juan Viejo2

  Thank you very much. Just what I needed...
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  Witness movie "Heritage"

  by exwhyzee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone remember seeing the witness movie called "heritage" ?

  it was made in the early 60's and they used to show it once a year at the kh when i was a kid.

  (with guilty minds, we were secretly glad to see the projector set up in the middle section of the hall because it meant we didn't have to sit through another long boring talk.. even as a little kid i could see the one sided propaganda basicaly showing how empty "worldly" peoples lives were compared to ours and if you were a witness your family life would be idyllic like on "leave it to beaver".

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  Juan Viejo2

  I was active during those years (1954 -1966) and never once saw any of those movies. Never saw PhotoDrama (CT Russell's slide show) either, even though several copies of the black and white version were still around at that time.

  It would be fun to see these old movies because I might be able to relate to the time period. It seems as if they might have been filmed on the east coast of the USA and I live in Southern California at that time - but there should still be some similarities.

  Thanks for posting them, Wasanelder. Hopefully the WT won't shut you down before we all get a good look at some of them.